
A Call to Reason
Part Two
Part One
Now the big take away as I see these debates is whether or not religion should be held up to scientific scrutiny, as Dan Dennett, the author of the book, Breaking the Spell: Religion as a natural Phenomenon writes,
“It is high time that we subject religion as a global phenomenon to the most intensive multidisciplinary research we can muster, calling on the best minds on the planet. Why? Because religion is too important for us to remain ignorant about. It affects not just our social, political, and economic conflicts, but the very meanings we find in our lives. For many people, probably a majority of the people on Earth, nothing matters more than religion. For this very reason, it is imperative that we learn as much as we can about it. That, in a nutshell, is the argument of this book.”

Nothing wrong with a call for honest inquiry.
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Even as Dennett argues for the scientific investigation to put religion under the microscope if you will of what is supposed to be unbiased look, concedes that, as James N. Gardner states in a recent article in Enlightenment magazine, that the “developmental pathways, and internal dynamics of religious communities and belief systems” should not be shunned as mindless “pathologies associated with the consumption of dangerous and outmoded cultural opiates.”
The idea that religion, science and philosophy cannot interface to create a whole greater than the sum of its parts is patently absurd and certainly not an integral approach. To simply believe as Gould did of a NOMA or Non-Overlapping Magisteria that separates forever the three domains is itself irrational.

Alfred North Whitehead
"Every philosophy is tinged with the coloring of some secret imaginative
background, which never emerges explicitly into its train of reasoning."
Gardner rightly argues British Philosopher Alfred Whiteheads point that the “discoverable pattern of order in the realm of nature” was the conviction of an essentially irrational faith in the “existence of a rational natural order” and “was not the inherently obvious rationality of nature.” That, according to Whitehead, Western religion was in fact the “father of Western Science” and of the “intellectual disciplines that define our concept of modernity.”
In other words it was religious belief in sacred texts that was the foundation for scientist’s faith in the “discoverable rationality of the cosmos.”
That as Whitehead says,
“It is the instinctive conviction, vividly poised before the imagination,which is the
motive power of research – that there is a secret, a secret which can be unveiled. “
From Science and the Modern World
The so called “Strong Atheists” who call for the “rooting out” of that which they see as a “Plague and Virus” again sounds more like a religious crusade then a rational solution, or maybe its their equivalent of a “Final Solution.” So I was glad to read the comment of C4Chaos who says of Harris that he, as he understands him, is not for eliminating stages altogether but proposing to eliminate the unhealthy fundamentalism by shining the light of rationality upon them. “To,” as he says, “not give religion a free pass for protecting its unhealthy versions just because they are called religions.”
The key here is “Unhealthy,” the unjustifiable faith of extremism or religiosity which subverts the minds of their followers by proposing fiendish doctrines to instill fear and compliance. But the texts upon which these “Religious systems” are based, should not be thrown out with the bathwater.
Because the hermeneutics of a particular religious text is taken out of context for the benefit of the “Religiosity of the “Tradition,” this should not be a reason to honestly investigate them with a “reasoned” approach to seek its primal truth. A fact that has some Atheists looking as if they just don’t know what they’re talking about which lessons their credibility.
The lived experience of faith is core to the religious experience no matter what ‘stage’ the ‘state’ of transcendence occupies, it is the fundamental witness of those values that are sought by all. This can be the shared experience of the many paths of “liberation through the doorway of the deepest part of our Consciousness.” A doorway that leads to what some may describe as the timeless and spaceless void of mere being. The emptying of self that some call the filling of God within their being, the Kingdom of God within … Christ in you, the hope of glory, the truth which sets us free.
Are the scriptures which bring about these transformations a “virus” or a “plague” to be wiped out because we may not fully appreciate or understand them?

Abraham Maslow
“The very beginning, the intrinsic core, the universal nucleus of every high religion…has been the private, lonely, personal illumination, revelation, or ecstasy of some acutely sensitive prophet or seer. The high religions call themselves revealed religions and each of them tends to rest its validity, its function and its right to exist on the codification and the communication of this original mystic experience or revelation from the lonely prophet to the masses of human beings in general."
Abraham H. Maslow -Religion, Values, and Peak Experiences,
Penguin Books, New York, 1964, p. 19
Religious tradition tends to obscure the meaning of the basic core elements of the religious phenomena of experience in favor of suppression and repression which leads to aggression of those help captive from truth. Very few take the lonely walk up the mountain to peer into the burning bush of time to see for themselves what others greater then they have come to know. But instead put up walls around the truth and set themselves up as Pontiffs, priests and kings as so many bricks in a wall of thought control for the faceless and unthinking plebes to lock step in line.
Thus to retrieve the spirit of the text is to allow the meaning of a text to show itself from itself, and not to merely throw it away because of lack of understanding. Like the idea of a burning hell that is continually preached by both camps of the Atheists and the Fundies. The first, espousing the absurdity of such an unjustifiable and irrational doctrine. The latter preaching it from the rooftops to the unthinking and blinded sheeple. Yet anyone who has any understanding of history, Grecian thought, the Hebrew and Greek language should be able to tell you that neither is true. That in fact, those referenced scriptures that supposedly speak of such horrors awaiting the mass of humanity in some eternal abode of fire are NO WHERE to be found in the text. That in fact, it was Grecian philosophy that brought to the early Christian view the idea of an immortal soul. This view was never held by the early church until such notables as Plato, Tertullian, Origen, Augustine and many others thrust it into ‘the church.’ Today the idea of an immortal soul is not even considered debatable buy the fundies or even the Spiritists. You may recall Plato’s Phaedo and Socrates dying discourse of deathless fame to prove the immortality of the soul.
This caused the obvious problem of what to do with a “good” soul vs . a “bad” soul that lives forever, though the Hebrew and Greek say no such thing of an immortal soul. Ever met an orthodox Jew who believed his soul would live forever?
Exactly…
As this ‘pre-rational” doctrine began to take root, so did the idea of a “Burning Hell” for the “Wicked.”
Nowhere does hell in both Hebrew (Sheol) and Greek ( Hades or Gehenna) mean anything other than the grave or a hole in the ground. Gehenna was the garbage dump where the people of Jerusalem burnt their trash and lit it with fire for sanitary reasons. This was a place of great ignomy for a Jew who being denied burial was thrown out with the garbage to be burned, no longer a member of his tribe or nation. He was literally thrown out with the trash and whatever part of the carcass the fire did not consume, the worms would perform their natural function. So that upon death, ashes to ashes and dust to dust shall the body return as I’m sure many have heard at a funeral.

"Men fear death as children fear to go in the dark; and as that
natural fear in children is increased by tales, so is the other."
- Francis Bacon
"Everything Under The Sun Is In Tune,
But The Sun Is Eclipsed By The Moon"
So not so extreme or irrational after all and in fact, the very same belief I assume most atheists hold as to death. So when you see and read these “New Atheists” speak as if they they know what they’re talking about in such matters, you can see how ignorant they really look to those who actually took the time to not merely read but to analyze and study.
Or maybe the oft taught irrational concept that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
Sounds impossible and irrational, yet unknown to those who refuse to study history. The true meaning becomes clear when you realize that city walls were built to protect the inhabitants from beasts and gangs seeking prey in the night. As a traveler approached the city, the main gate had been locked for the night. But there was a small gate, called the needle gate that allowed entrance, but only if all the wayfarers’ belongings were stripped off the camel and even the camel must get on its knees to crawl through the gate. I’m sure you get the metaphor.
So forgive me for this history lesson, but when both camps cannot dialog on the simple issues because neither of the camps has adequately analyzed the text, having been blinded with their orange colored glasses on one side or blue on the other, then I have a hard time giving any respect to either. They both seem pre- rational and they both play on extremism to make their point. In other words, it seems as if neither knows what the HELL they're talking about.
Now, if the rooting out is the plague of ignorance through reasoned thought is the goal, I’m down with that. But to root out and destroy all religious idea-viruses before they can breed and mutate the next plague seems not only irrational, but downright scary. Or maybe that’s the point.
Religion throughout time has been the conduit for people to try and cope, comprehend and deal with their own mortality in an effort to find an answer to the universal question of what happens to me when I die. Do deny such pursuit is simply a repression of the human impulse. So if one of the noblest specimens of human reasoning such as Socrates upon looking at the eternity of his death can manufacture a religion in his final moments to justify his own immortality, is it really so irrational to think that there will be those who would seek the same comfort by other means?

"The whole life of the philosopher is a preparation for death."
"Nor do I regret that I have lived, since I have so lived that I think
I was not born in vain, and I quit life as if it were an inn, not a home."
Cicero -Tusculanes Disputationes
Neither atheism nor integral spirituality can offer the comfort of “Knowing” for certain what happens upon deaths door. It is the great mystery which leads to faith. Whether you be Ken Wilber who “Believes” or leans towards reincarnation though he admits to having ‘No Proof,” or an atheist who I imagine believes in an eternal death, both of which offer little hope or comfort. And isn’t it hope that drives the ghost in the machine for the mass of humanity throughout the ages. And isn’t it true that studies have shown that 83% of all humans care nothing for the facts but rather want to express opinions? So it’s no wonder that the society in general seeks easy answers to difficult questions and finds hope in religion. A hope kings, priests, popes and presidents have used to lord over its people through propaganda and fear. Teaching Dogma or a Creed of the Church to suppress and keep the mob at peace with legal rules and religiosity of tradition to obey a system.

George W. Bush
Trampling Freedom, Justice, and Peace to Rid the World of Evil
"God told me to strike at Al Qa’ida and I struck them."
"And then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
Are you kidding me??!!
Forgive me, but wasn’t it Jesus who rebuked the religious system and its leaders controlling the people calling them whited seplechures? I don’t see that much has changed since then.
We’ve seen throughout the centuries the blood spilt over the cause of religion that has always been used as a vehicle to secure the masses for the cause of conquering new lands. Today that same excuse of “religion” is playing out with our leaders in the 21st century who use it as a convenient excuse to murder, rape, pillage and plunder whole nations of their resources.
It’s
enough to
make one go
Comfortably Numb
watching their lips move
but not hearing what they say
as a nation rages against the machine.
Of course the big take away in all this and even admitted by Dawkins is the proof that God exists or does not exist.
"We cannot, of course, disprove God … says Dawkins… but then goes to the extreme and equates this with disproving “Thor, fairies, leprechauns and the Flying Spaghetti Monster," says Dawkins. "But, like those other fantasies that we can't disprove, we can say that God is very, very improbable.”
That argument just doesn’t fly with me as a justification for rooting out that which you cannot understand. A belief in the face of such an argument is itself faith based as belief in improbabilities either way is a belief that it either is or it isn’t. Both are without proof, based on probability or improbability.
This is the old argument of presumption as Atheists like Antony Flew say that the "onus of proof must lie upon the theist.” This haggard idea of presumption based on compelling reasons for God’s existence is the "presumption of atheism." Even as atheist, Michael Scriven, much like Dawkins considers the lack of evidence for God’s existence and the lack of evidence for Santa Claus on the same level. But this presumption of atheism is nothing more presumptuousness on the part of Atheists.
Absence of evidence is not at all
the same as evidence of absence.
At least atheist Kai Nielsen recognizes this: "To show that an argument is invalid or unsound is not to show that the conclusion of the argument is false....All the proofs of God’s existence may fail, but it still may be the case that God exists."
But Harris differentiates himself buy creating his own little intellectual corner that sets out to disprove the existence of God by reasoning that the existence of evil in the world proves this. Since by this reasoning he feels he has proven the non-existence of God, all arguements for the evidence of God would be a non-sequitur. Thus he summarily dismisses all religions with "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
Now this makes for a fascinating argument on many fronts. For example, most of the secular arguements deny the reality of evil altogether. But Harris not only does not deny evil, he is always affirmining its reality with Hitler, the atomic Bomb and the establishment of religion as evil. In essence, Harris attempts to kill God, or dismiss God altogether because evil exists, therefore God does not.
Yet Harris affirms moral meaning and ethics and so seperates himself from the obvious arguement that leads to nihilism by acknowledging and given credence for meaning of moral values and ethics.
This is actualy a pretty savvy argument for he positions himself around the idea that apart from any "proof" of God, any statement to the contrary is a "faith" based statement since neither existence or non-existence can be proved by empircal evidence. Obviously if niether the theist or the atheist can prove or disprove God, then both are "faith" based as I stated above. Thus Harris guards himself in this intellectual game by what he considers unassailable logic, "This is a devastating observation and there is no retort to it," (P 173). But what Harris has done is not a "proof" at all but is instead a "Definition" that the concept of God is to be understood with the existence of evil so as to be mutually exclusive. His "Proof" is in his definition of the obvious, that evil exists, and thus draws the conclusion given "his" definition of God, that therefore, God does not. So with such a "definition" that he calls "Proof" he has closed all the typical philosophical debate which is in itself interestingly tantalyzing for those who enjoy the intellectual banter.
Thus by carving out himself a nice little niche by his "demonstration" for the non-existence of God, he cuts to the core of all religions and effectively levels all theology as a monological study of "ignorance with wings" for without God, all arguments for theism are false. So Harris by (divine?) fiat completely condems all evidence such as documents, History, archaeology, human experience, textual criticism, anthropology and so on as irrelevant. A kind of lazy man's atheism as all evidence is dismissed not because it doesn't exist, but because there can't be if God does not exist.
You have to admit, that is pretty slick. Kind of like two kids fighting, "Is Not!" -"Is Too!"

"It amazes me to find an intelligent person who fights against
something which he does not at all believe exists." -- Mohandas Gandhi
For some, justifiable faith takes the form of mathematical correlation of the Greek and Hebrew alphabet with its numerical rendering, Or the Praelections of the Sacred Poetry of the Hebrews in their Sacred Compositions of literary parallelism between words and lines. Spectacular parallelisms unseen in other texts that develop correspondence between subject and truth that give justification as evidence for some of the supernatural and miraculous for those rare enough to have even heard of such things. Should those who hold to these beliefs be making public policy on morals? No and neither should those who don’t.
So what is my point in all these words?
Simply to say, before we start speaking of viruses and plagues and rooting out religion to re-construct a new one, let’s at least be honest in our approach and look at it from all angles so we can have an honest dialogue and leave the hyperbole behind.
The Atheistic clarion call to inculcate our youth on a the road to a collective socialist dystopia in the name of a social revolution as put forth by those called “hard atheists” seems like nothing more than the idealistic Utopia of a manipulated “Non-catastrophic Transition stratagem” as called for by that Seminal work “The Changing Images of Man.”
There is no reason why religion, science and philosophy cannot interface to create a whole greater than the sum of its parts and let the spiral play out Wu Wi style. Be water my friend, and go where the spiral takes you in the awakening of your own spirit, to Know Thyself, and to Know Truth and to thine own self be true.
As Goethe said,
“Science arose from poetry… when times change the
two can meet again on a higher level as friends.”

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"Ignorant men raise questions that
wise men answered a thousand years ago."
Is it really so hard to believe that one can transgress the senses of the monological view to fly like a dove with no atmosphere but realize the transcendent heavenly flight of the spirit within?

So I ask the question and come to the same
conclusion
as did Arthur Peacocke when he said,
“I believe God is the ultimate reality. God is eternal, beyond space and time. The destiny of the human person is to be one with the divine, to be taken up into the life of God.
In my youth I became an agnostic. But I was terribly impressed, as I did research, that the universe really was intelligible. Why does nature always turn out to be more intellectually coherent than anything we can conceive before we do the studies? Why should there be a universe at all? I believe the universe is rational because there is a suprarational Being behind it. I am thrilled by the beauty and rationality of the universe, from quarks to the human brain, its order, its intricacy and integration. Personal relationships are part of that order. They are a clue to the nature of ultimate reality. The personal is the highest category we know, and it can’t be reduced to atoms and molecules. It is a reality in its own right.
That’s why it’s justified to conceive of a personal God, because when we do so we are using the language of the highest kind of reality of which we have any experience.”
DEO